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Ronald Dumbsfeld on - Getting Over nasty Nuclear Build-up

We apologize for including that suspect info in such an important and influential speech. No, the information as far as we know is not correct., Um-Ah., nor is it as far as we know not incorrect., but we do admit it, Um., it ., Ah., shouldn't been presented as evidence., although it came from darn good intelligence which I suppose shouldn't be confused with damn good intelligence. We don't know that the intelligence is wrong., as far as we know it could be right , it hasn't been proved to be false.., that they were looking for., Um., Ah., to build a nuclear program., we apologize for the Um, intelligence we used which we believe to be, Um-Ah, darn good., but even if the info is questionable it doesn't mean it's not Um, technically correct., I mean Uh, the source might be incorrect but the concept that source suggests might not.,Um-you know., it could be true., we have no evidence that says it's not true., even if we apologize for Um., saying it we're not saying it's wrong and in fact say that without a doubt it could Uh-Um-Ah, possibly be true, technically speaking., cause as some would like to re-write history., in fact what was said, was that intelligence received from England said such and such., and in fact that's where the intelligence all be it possibly not entirely correct in it's entirety was where the intel came from.., so the president was correct about the nuclear build-up., that there was intelligence coming from england proving that such a program existed. - Didn't Tenet say not to use that info in the speech? We know he said it probably shouldn't of been in the speech we don't know he said don't put it in the speech., he apologized and we accept that., I can't speak for him beyond that if he said this or he said that he apologized., hell we're talking about only sixteen words here. So why are you apologizing?- You're not listening to me., we've already covered all that., you really need to get over this., it's been explained as the president was right., Um., what he said seems to have been wrong - anymore questions?


06/24/03 Donald Rumsfeld -"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis has nuclear weapons. I don't know anybody in any government or any intelligence agency who suggested that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons."

03/16/03 Dick Cheney - "We believe he (Saddam Hussein) has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."


Things are looking curiouser and curiouser

Dr. Kelly "unexplained death,"

But before the Tower Commission could complete it’s investigation– Into Iran/Contra and Houston Energy Partners – Senator Towers died
In a Mysterious Plane Crash

During 2000 Senate race with now attorney general John Ashcroft.
Mel Carnahan dies in airplane crash


Body of Man Believed to Be British Arms Expert Is Found
By WARREN HOGE

Before the 2002 elections - in a race against Cheney's hand-picked candidate - Senator Wellstone died
In a Mysterious Plane Crash


LONDON, July 18 — The body of a man believed to be the arms expert at the center of a high-profile dispute over the validity of government weapons intelligence was found today near his home in Oxfordshire.
The weapons specialist's wife told the police shortly before midnight that her husband, Dr. David Kelly, 59, had been missing since he left his home Thursday afternoon saying he was going for a walk. The body was discovered this morning on a woodland footpath five miles from the Kelly residence in the village of Southmoor.
The acting superintendent of the Thames Valley police, Dave Purnell, said that a formal identification would be made on Saturday, but he added that the description of the body matched that of Dr. Kelly. Calling the case an "unexplained death," Superintendent Purnell declined to discuss possible causes or answer questions about whether there were any suspicious circumstances.

An Oxford-educated, former United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq with a speciality in biological weapons, Dr. Kelly faced tough questioning on Tuesday from the House of Commons Select Committee on Foreign Affairs. Lawmakers especially wanted to know whether he was the source of an accusation broadcast by the BBC that the government of Prime Minister Tony Blair had doctored intelligence findings in its campaign to gain public support for going to war in Iraq.

A soft-spoken civil servant in the Ministry of Defense accustomed to working behind the scenes, Dr. Kelly was repeatedly pressed by committee members to say whether he thought he was the "fall guy" in a bitter dispute that has pitted the government against the BBC and been front-page news in Britain during the last week.

The implication of the badgering questions was that the scientist had been set up by Mr. Blair's powerful communications and security director, Alastair Campbell, and the Ministry of Defense to counter damaging reports by the BBC about possible government manipulation of intelligence.

Mr. Campbell, a fiercely loyal and combative aide to Mr. Blair, has conducted a wide-ranging campaign against the BBC, the world's largest public service broadcaster, asserting that it has let its vaunted standards of impartiality lapse in the pursuit of what he has called "an agenda against the war."

Tom Mangold, a journalist for the British news network ITV and a close friend of Dr. Kelly's, said that he spoke this morning to the scientist's wife, Janice, and that she had said that her husband was "very, very angry about what had happened at the committee" on Tuesday.

" She didn't use the word `depressed,' " Mr. Mangold said, "but she said he was very, very stressed and unhappy about what had happened and this was really not the kind of world he wanted to live in."

The case that put Dr. Kelly in the public eye arose from a BBC report on May 29 asserting that a high-ranking Downing Street official had "sexed up" a government intelligence dossier by inserting a claim that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons that could be deployed in 45 minutes.

The BBC reporter, Andrew Gilligan, who covers military affairs, said the insertion had been made against the wishes of intelligence agencies. The weapons claim was the highlight of the dossier published by the government to persuade a dubious British public of the need to take immediate military action in Iraq.

Mr. Gilligan attributed his account to a senior weapons scientist with whom he had met at a downtown London hotel. The reporter did not identify the scientist or the high-ranking Downing Street official on the air, but he later wrote in a newspaper article that the official who had "sexed up" the dossier was Mr. Campbell.


Tell us the truth about the dossier

It is now clear we were dragged to war with Iraq under a pretence

Richard Norton-Taylor
Tuesday July 15, 2003
The Guardian

There cannot be anyone who now genuinely believes that Iraq posed a threat to Britain or America when UK and US troops invaded the country. Yet that is what we were told at the time: Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destructionprogramme was so dangerous that military force was the only way to stop it.



The charge now being laid at Tony Blair's door is not that he knowingly lied to the Commons and the public - an exaggeration he can easily deny. It is that he dragged Britain into a war under what, it is now clear, was a pretence.

That he still sticks to the claim in his foreword to the September dossier that the threat from Iraq "is serious and current" tells you as much about his judgment and prejudices as his sincerity.

Spurred on by George Bush, his mind appeared to have been made up. Diplomatic shenanigans at the UN were a sideshow, useful but not really necessary, certainly not as far as the attorney-general's view of international law was concerned.

Blair might have told himself that it was inconceivable for Britain not to go to war. But there still had to be a pretext. Thus the government for months applied pressure on the intelligence agencies to come up with a dossier on Iraq's banned weapons .

MI6, we now know, included the phrase "there is intelligence that Iraq has sought the supply of significant quantities of uranium from Africa". When the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency discovered the claim was based on forged documents, Jack Straw insisted that MI6 had "separate" sources to back up the claim. Yet he was honest enough to tell the Commons in early June that, "until we investigate properly," ministers will not be in a position to say whether that intelligence was "correct".

Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, further undermined the government's case last week when he told a Senate committee that America and Britain did not invade "because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq's pursuit of weapons of mass murder". The US acted because it saw "existing evidence in a new light, through the prism of our experience on September 11".

Ministers cannot now back away saying what they actually meant by WMD were bits of old machinery or "programmes" found in documents. The whole point of the dossier was to convince MPs to vote for war to counter an urgent threat and for the public to support them. We have a right to know from an independent inquiry whether we went to war on false pretences. The onus is now on the government and their agents to show we did not.


 

Judith Miller - wmd & middle east expert?

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